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Showing posts with label theory and practice. Show all posts
Showing posts with label theory and practice. Show all posts
Friday, March 15, 2013
A Proposal to Imitate the Medical Model of Education
The dean of Boston College Law School has proposed that law schools imitate at least part of the medical "model" of education. See Vincent D. Rougeau, Law schools should consider med-school model—a dean’s view Legal Rebels (blog) (March 13, 2013).
This is not a new idea. But it is an interesting one. But ... but ... the idea will only work if law teachers adopt a more "scientific" attitude toward "theory" -- which means in part that they must come to think of "legal theory" as consisting in important part of hypotheses that may be shown to be true or false by "empirical observation," by observation, that is, of how legal theories play out in the real world. (This sort of empirical "verification" is not an exact analogue to empirical testing of scientific hypotheses, but it moves in that direction.) The Legal Realists were onto something.
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Sunday, November 20, 2011
Sequelae to "Law School & Law Practice"
I have gathered together some of my comments to my original post "Law School & Law Practice":
Comment 1:
Comment 2:
Comment 3:
Comment 4:
This is the NYTimes article: http://www.nytimes.com/ 2011/11/20/business/ after-law-school-associates -learn-to-be-lawyers.html? _r=2&hpw

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Comment 1:
from the same NYTimes
article: "'Where do these students go?' says Michael Roster, a former
chairman of the Association of Corporate Counsel and a lecturer at the
University of Southern California Gould School of Law. 'There are
virtually no openings. They can’t hang a shingle and start on their own.
Many of them are now asking their schools, "Why didn’t you teach me how
to practice law?"'"
Comment 2:
... but I am a fervent
believer in interdisciplinary scholarship ... I believe in a triad: (1)
Theory 1 (legal theory); (2) Theory 2 (other theory -- e.g.,
probability, neuroscience, physics, information theory); and (3) Practice (private law practice; drafting
legislation; etc.) ... cf. the statement on my personal web site: "The
Golden Triad: Theory, Law & Technology," http://tillers.net ...
Comment 3:
the same NYTimes article:
"Still others crossbreed law and some other discipline, a variety of
scholarship that seems to especially irk John G. Roberts Jr., chief
justice of the United States. 'Pick up a copy of any law review that you
see,' he said at a conference this summer, 'and the first article is
likely to be, you know, the influence of Immanuel Kant on evidentiary
approaches in 18th-century Bulgaria, or something, which I’m sure was of
great interest to the academic that wrote it, but isn’t of much help to
the bar.'"
This sort of anti-intellectualism is most
unfortunate (and, in the case of Roberts, surprising). The fact is that
_good_ theory is not incompatible with practice. And learning to be a
bit reflective wouldn't be bad for lawyers.
Comment 4:
This is the NYTimes article: http://www.nytimes.com/
www.nytimes.com
Law schools have long emphasized the theoretical over the useful, leaving law fi...rms fairly resigned to training their hires how to actually practice law.
Comment 5:
Oh, by the way, Mr. Justice
Roberts: Thinking hard about Immanuel Kant's seemingly-odd dictum that
it is better for the world to perish than for one innocent person to
suffer punishment might be a fruitful way to attack the riddle of "proof
beyond a reasonable doubt." It might even be useful to know what befell
a country (Bulgaria? really?) that tried to put Kant's dictum into
practice. (A long-ago conversation with some South American legal
scholars leads me to believe that Chile or Argentina might be a more apt
case study.)
Comment 6:
I am thinking about Roberts
(Justice) and the NYTimes article once again: Why is the debate over
teaching Theory or Practice so simple-minded? Have Justice Roberts and
the NYTimes ever heard of "necessary but not sufficient" or of the
fallacy of the excluded middle? Is it not possible to say (as I
suggest), not only that (some) "theory" is is part of effective training
for law practice, but also that law schools can teach BOTH practice and
"useless" theory, that they can prepare students sufficiently for law
practice even if they devote some energy to teaching stuff that does not
demonstrably improve "practice skills" as commonly understood? If so,
is there not a case for teaching stuff that, e.g., gives law students a
general vision or sense of the nature of the rule of law or the
function(s) of law in society? (Yes, there is.) But I don't want to be a
Pollyanna: It is probably true that there is a tradeoff between teaching
students "useless" theory and teaching them how to be effective members
of the "bar" (in Justice Roberts's sense). But perhaps some tradeoffs
are acceptable for the sake of training "broad-minded" lawyers: perhaps
it's OK to give students a pinch of "useless" theory at the price of a
mote of preparation for law practice, yes? (That being said, law schools
perhaps should not ignore the needs of law practice to the extent that
some of them perhaps do.)
The dynamic evidence page
Evidence marshaling software MarshalPlan
It's here: the law of evidence on Spindle Law. See also this post and this post.
Saturday, November 19, 2011
Law School & Law Practice
"One 2010 study
of hiring at top-tier law schools since 2000 found that the median
amount of practical experience was one year, and that nearly half of
faculty members had never practiced law for a single day. If medical
schools took the same approach, they’d be filled with professors who had
never set foot in a hospital." (David Segal Law Schools That Teach Little About Legal Practice New York Times (Nov. 19, 2011)
I practiced law for a few years; I was a litigator. I teach a course in fact investigation. The course tries to marry theory and practice. I am proud of the course; I have long thought it does useful things. But perhaps I should start calling the course "revolutionary"!?!
The dynamic evidence page
Evidence marshaling software MarshalPlan
It's here: the law of evidence on Spindle Law. See also this post and this post.
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